The General Chiropractic Council needs your registration fees to survive and will not put up fees for fear many chiropractors will come off the register

March 14, 2011

When the GCC hit financial difficulties in 2009, the CHRE wanted them to increase the registration fees. Realising this would likely “result in a walk away from registration sufficient to outweigh from a time-limited increase in the annual retention fee” the GCC increased the Mortgage to cover the £2,029,598, which they estimated as the actual impact of dealing with the complaints. This scenario worked provided the registrants agreed to have their hearing heard in private and chiropractors under investigation paid their registration fees.

Below is the e-mail Margaret Coats sent the CHRE

I still dont understand why the BCA went along with this, when chiropractors just showing up for a public PCC hearing would have cost the GCC in the region of £10,000,000 and at the very worst the outcomes for individual chiropractors would have been the same.

Perhaps the carrot was the promise of a new touchy feely GCC, who would not solicit so many vexatious complaints, or threaten complainants who no longer wanted to complain with fines to keep GCC costs down. In agreeing to this did the GCC and BCA council feel the GCC could win over the majority of the profession?



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  15. Richard Lanigan on October 13, 2011 at 22:27

    I see the GCC is cutting the fees, so fearfull are they of people leaving this year. Amazing how the chiropractic act can be changed quickly when it suits Dixon and co. 

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  17. Fedup on March 27, 2011 at 23:42

    I hope so. We can only hope. Anyway very busy day tomorrow got a bait and switch or placebo to sell!,,the skeptics. Can’t wait till al grant or Simon perry books in. It will happen just wait!

  18. Amit Patel on March 27, 2011 at 18:17

    I think your posts are very interesting and to the point….. it because of people like you, Richard L and Rod, that I post. Just like you I’m Fed Up as well with all of it. Do you think it will change?

  19. Fedup on March 27, 2011 at 01:17

    Hello amit. I do sometimes post in my real name but fed up comes from a while ago when I was fed up with the gcc. The problem then was you couldn’t use your real name because if you posted anything negative about the gcc they came after you. Ask Richard he had lawyers chasing him for ip addresses for people who had posted on the old site. I used an ip hider so I was always ok :-). Or I posted from India then Manchester then Vegas. ! No real reason for not posting in my name, not really worried about the gcc anymore. Richard knows who I am. Does it matter? If you want to know I will tell you.

  20. Amit Patel on March 26, 2011 at 14:13

    I think its all lip service…. Im off to see my local MP… who is a Tory.. I have stacks of paperwork….

  21. Amit Patel on March 26, 2011 at 14:11

    Why dont you post in your real name?

  22. Stefaan A.L.P. Vossen on March 25, 2011 at 18:57

    I have long wondered about one particular point Richard raises in this comment: “we are not alternative or complimentary” as I always asked myself: “alternative to what?” Doing nothing? Doing some exercise? Taking some painkillers? Those problems that are well-treated with those solutions are not the ones I look after and manage, so I don’t know what I would be complimentary or an alternative to…. Chiropractic and osteoathic techniques might at a push be considered alternative techniques to each other and physiotherapy might be considered an occasional complimentary to chiropractic and vice-versa. Podiatry and splint therapy could be considered corollaries as it would usually be the chiropractor/osteopath/spinal therapist who would refer in the context of spinal care but not when they are used for foot pain and dental repositioning therapy etc.
    Hope it makes sense to you …

  23. Richard Lanigan on March 25, 2011 at 14:27

    When are they going to come out from a meeting with Dixon and Coats and say “This is what we have delivered”

  24. Fedup on March 25, 2011 at 11:27

    “Yesterday, I attended a meeting of the professional associations and the General Chiropractic Council (GCC) at their offices in London. The main area of discussion was the progress being made by the GCC’s Governance Working Group in addressing the issues articulated by the Associations (BCA, MCA, UCA, SCA) in their correspondence with the GCC.

    Because some of the issues are quite complex, it’s taking time to fully investigate them and the GCC has come back to us seeking clarification on a number of points. Also, because of the legal framework of the GCC and its committees, there are matters of law which warrant specialist opinion and the GCC has sought assistance from Morgan Cole LLP (a firm specialising in healthcare law).

    During the meeting the GCC stressed on a number of occasions their wish to listen to the profession’s views and engage in more constructive dialogue. This can only be a good thing for BCA chiropractors and I shall be happy to meet as often as is needed to make the BCA voice heard. It’s also good to spend time with the leaders of the other UK associations – they’re good people and have the profession’s best interests at heart. We don’t agree on everything, but we share far more common ground than people may think and it’s great that we can work together on important issues like this.”

    I sort of like it. lets see.

  25. A N Other on March 18, 2011 at 19:34

    Karel Lewit has an intersting view on vetebrovisceral inter-relationships. He views in very broad terms the five following possibilities:

    1. The spinal column (motion segment) is causing symtpoms that are mistaken for vsiceral disease.

    2. Visceral disease is causing symptoms that are interpreted as a lesion in some part of the locomotor system

    3. Visceral disease is producing changes in the locomotor system, such as trigger points, movement restrictions etc.

    4. Visceral disease that has caused changes in the locomotor system has subsided; however, the resultant dysfunctions have persisted and are simulating visceral symptoms.

    5. A disturbance in the motion segment is triggering visceral disease or (more likely) is activating already latent visceral symptoms (hypothetical).

    I think this covers all the possibilities with this issue. An interesting study he has done was looking at cases of tonsilitis, where he found that chronic tonsilitis is associated with movement restrictions at the craniocervical junction, mainly at C0/C1. He also states that in his experience that movement restrictions in this region is associated with an increased susceptibility to recurrent tonsilitis.
    I hope this helps with the discussion

  26. A N Other on March 18, 2011 at 19:33

    Pain is a perception that is modulated by psychosocial variables in addition to the physiological injury. So, I would have thought that the practitioner can have a big innfluence on the outcome of pain.
    However, low back disorders have an evidence base for assoication and causality if looking at the chronic pain literature and some biomechanical based studies. Where as, psychosocial variables have only conculsively established association not causal links with low back disorders.
    A study by Stuart McGill found that in a group of workers with some having low back pain and the rest having no history of low back pain. He did a number of different test when all were asymptomatic and back at work. The results showed that the workers with a history of low back pain had lingering deficits, such as diminshed hip extension, even when the last episode of LBP which prevented work was 261 weeks ago.
    Therefore, pain can be temporary, but the reaction to that pain can be long lasting until it is corrected.

  27. Amit Patel on March 18, 2011 at 14:44

    hahah Colin… spot on… I dont want you to make a complaint against me, thats why i left Wales, Scoltand & N. Ireland out…. :)

  28. Richard Lanigan on March 18, 2011 at 13:22

    I did not want to offend Welsh women

  29. Stefaan A.L.P. Vossen on March 18, 2011 at 12:57

    Single men? Why be all sanctimonious and monogamous about it? ;)

  30. Colin Jenkins on March 18, 2011 at 10:52

    Absolutely :)

  31. Richard Lanigan on March 18, 2011 at 10:07

    Is that why single Welsh men wear wellington boots when they go out in the eventing.

  32. Colin Jenkins on March 18, 2011 at 09:21

    What about Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland? We actually have lots of real sheep funnily enough, so perhaps that’s why you made us exempt. Well done. Good thinkng.

  33. Amit Patel on March 18, 2011 at 08:23

    Because people in England are like Sheep… they need to grow some “brass ones” and stand up for what they beleive in, rather than listening to the so called ‘senior’ members of the profession who clearly dont know what they are talking about, and are just looking at this as a stepping stone to:

    a) Get a knigthood ( VERY unlikly … yet laughable!!)
    b) Get an MBE/OBE ( yeah right…. there is more chances of me winning the lottery than that happening!!)
    c) Get another job in a QUANGO, and pat each other on the back for doing such a great job( More likley than the above)

  34. Paulm123 on March 17, 2011 at 22:23

    shameful shameful reply from someone purporting to be a chiropractor – have you any idea of the studies comparing the likes of ibuprofen with chiropractic or like manual therapies? shameful Eugene and shows a lack of knowledge around the practice of chiropractic and beyond … personally as a parent who might attend you in the wilderness I ‘d rather you knew your profession better

  35. Richard Lanigan on March 17, 2011 at 21:25

    “lets normalise your spinal function and see what happens”. I am not at all happy practising that way it totally absolves me of responsibilty to my patient.

    So Eugene tell me if you dont wait and “see what happens” what conditions to you treat that you can predict the outcome.

    Presumeably like most chiropractors you see a lot of back pain. Why would you take “responsibility” for a condition you can only guess whats causing it, is very subjective and can be made worse by a bereavement or redundancy.

    I think we all do more or less the same, the difference as I see it Eugene is you think the practitioner has a lot more influence on the outcome of pain than I do.

  36. Stefaan A.L.P. Vossen on March 17, 2011 at 18:55

    yes, but only if they claim to be good at back pain (sorry couldn’t give a straight yes or no could I?)

  37. CDC on March 17, 2011 at 15:49

    Of course there is no such thing as underactive thyroid subluxation. Or a neck pain subluxation or a pins and needle down left C6 dermatom subluxation or pins and needle down right C5 dermatom subluxation or frontal head ache subluxation or left temporal head ache subluxation or dizzyness subluxation or blurred vision left eye subluxation or right side tinnitus subluxation. It´s just subluxations and correcting them seem to improve patients quality of life. If you find joy focusing on the pain side of patients quality of life –great! That is important. But I think the overall health of the patient is important as well. I do not treat symptoms or disease, I just correct subluxations and ohh I do refer patients with red flags to appropriate doctor.

  38. eugene pearce on March 17, 2011 at 12:21

    Richard put on his blog a bit further up the page this definition of a chiropractor

    “We are spinal health care experts in the health care system, we are not alternative or complementary. We assess spinal joint function for its affect on well being we don’t use drugs as we attept to facilitate the bodies own healing ability”.

    You then make the point which I agree with 100%, (how reductionalist is only looking at the spine!!)

    “but I personally feel that those people who are not looking at causation in a wider view, beyond spinal lesioins have no place calling them specialists in the back pain field, and should be relegated to the denialists, or better still idiots”.

    Are you saying all straight purely spinal orientated chiropractors are idiots, yes or no will do?

  39. eugene pearce on March 17, 2011 at 11:25

    And I have had several patients whose underactive thyroid has suddenly started working again. I cant however conclude cause and effect, and looking back at my notes I can’t find the underactive thyroid subluxation (in case any skeptics are reading this no there is no such thing as an underactive thyroid subluxation in case you dont understand sarcasm). Whiplash is common underactive thyroid is common its not surprising we see them occur together. I also have patients that develop DJD at L5-S1 and then develop piles is that cause and effect? Look these assumptions without evidence arent purely made by chiropractors, can anyone remember when stress caused gastric ulcers and anti anxiety meds and time off work were given as treatment.

    I cant caegorically claim that some unexplainable things happen following spinal manipulation. I wish I had written this up, but I was just out of college and thought this stuff happened all the time.

    I had an MS patient with LBP. He had perianal anasthesia and used laxatives every 3 days without which he could not pass a stool. He also catheterised. After the first treatment S/P manipulation he reported passing a stool normally and not needing a catheter. This lasted for 3 days then symptoms returned. His back pain eased in a few weeks and after each treatment the same result no catheter no laxative for 3 days. I treated him free of charge for a few months 1-2 times a week (as I was not comfortable charging to treat symptoms of a condition I considered untreatable) to see whether the improvement would become permanent, unfortunately it never did.

    The key here is the improvement was dose related, something in the treatment worked. I could be raised intraabdomial pressure during the manipulation, improved neurological function, temporary reduction of pressure around the MS spinal lesion, who knows. In 17 years of practic since nothing like that has happened since where I could say there was definate cause and effect.

    We have no data to support thyroid function being related to abnormal spinal function, why doesnt DJD cervical spine colleralate to heart disease or thyroid function, it just doesnt. (Please dont mention Windsor Autopsies as up-to-date valid research when noone can reproduce it). Whereas we do have data for iodine deficiency, vascular, congenital, Ischaemic heart disease HDL levels etc etc. Therefore we should not make these organic cause and effect claims it is an embarresment to the profession. If the patient presents without neck pain solely for a check up are you going to suggest you might help their underactive thyroid, or is it just a lucky dip, “lets normalise your spinal function and see what happens”. I am not at all happy practising that way it totally absolves me of responsibilty to my patient.

  40. The Gregster on March 17, 2011 at 09:52

    ohhhhhhhhhhhhh i cant wait…… is it big???? mouth watering,,,,,

  41. CDC on March 16, 2011 at 22:15

    I have had numerous patients developing thyroidproblems 2-10 years after their whiplash accident. Anecdotal or empiric? I also had numerous patients developing pins and needles down their arms and many also experience neck pain and headaches. Why is it so upsetting when patients find relief for organic symptoms but most are OK for somatic?

  42. Richard Lanigan on March 16, 2011 at 16:49

    But the neck could be causing the patients under active thyroid.

    This is the point about diagnosis it is not an exact science. Under active thyroid could be related to the blood supply, ANS, congenital or pathology. If we talk about “treating” conditions rather than our expertise “managing” spinal joint function patient will get confused about what we do.

  43. eugene pearce on March 16, 2011 at 13:46

    Respect for posting the link he says it all rather well for me. We both agree that restoration of normal function is key to chiropractic. Sometimes to reduce pain will facilitate this. I know the Swiss is OTC meds, and it is just a mattter of convinience, but I dont think they have given up on adjusting because of it. I personally think any move toward prescribing has to be in the contest of facilitating normalising function. Not palliative long term care. That is where medicine takes over.

  44. eugene pearce on March 16, 2011 at 13:37

    How could a treatment for diagnosed back pain also be a treatment for diagnosed Otis media.


  45. eugene pearce on March 16, 2011 at 13:35

    Nobody is taking away talking about subluxations, it seems to be a paranoid over-reaction to the GCC stating the bloody obvious with current scientific understanding. I believe the only thing that has been said is that we cant make the claim Subluxations cause organic disease / dis-ease. We can still discuss them in the context of back pain, spinal degeneration and that tradtionally chiropractors thought that…. but the evidence to support that is more limited. You can discuss the more we understand neurolphysiology the more complex we have found pain and symptom perception to be (see Richards post on Neuroplasticity).

    I think it would be better for the profession if we could put what we say in a more up-to-date context, not just bone stuck / out of place interfereing with nerve to an organ causing disease.

    A ban of the nervous system linking all the organs poster is definately in order, as it is supremely misleading for patients, factually correct but with the implication we can provide treatment for any condition. We used it when we first qualified and I had a patient ask “so my neck could be causing my underactive thyroid”, we took it down.

  46. eugene pearce on March 16, 2011 at 11:44

    Richard lose treament and put in management. We have to diagnose if we are a primary healthcare profession or we are simply not safe. Patient presents with night pain weight loss previous history of breast cancer and back pain. We cant just absolve ourelves of responsibilty and deal with the “subluxations” we have to endevour to confirm whether the pain is mechanical or pathological, ie make a diagnosis. It is fundamental, the skeptics can get as excited as they like but if we chose not to diagnose we should only take referrals from someone who does.

    The degree to which we choose to take it is another matter mechanical back pain / non mechanical, requires referral would suffice for many as it deals with the saftey issue, but I quite enjoy letting the rheumatology department when the miss AS on x-ray 3, miss PMR, miss unilateral facet dislocation C5-6, miss Statin induced myopathy. Consequently I now have a really good relationship with them and I get referrals. Would you treat an acute compression fracture, the same as a strained paraspinal.

    You cant get around the fact we need to diagnose. How could a treatment for diagnosed back pain also be a treatment for diagnosed Otis media. My go Richard medicine is littered with the same paradox dont they do treatment either.

    Interesting how can a treatment for sciatica be a treatment for Epilepsy, Gabapentin, a treatment for depression be a treatment for muscle spasm, Amitryptinline, treatment for morning sickness a treatment for Multiple Myeoloma / Plasmocytoma, Thalidamide

  47. Stefaan A.L.P. Vossen on March 15, 2011 at 07:39

    I think it is not just a case of “if you prescribe appropriate orthotics” but of “having to prescribe appropriate orthotics”, same for TMJ splints, same for exercises, same for anything that will show to reduce treatment frequency and increase treatment outcomes. Integration is not the nemisis, nor is change, missing the point of looking at underlying pathomechanics causing, aggravating or predesposing to injury, pain and dysfunction on the other hand is, for me. The term medipractor is a conscending term, there is no getting away from that, and that is wrong as it should be a choice to ignore the concept of causation, but I personally feel that those people who are not looking at causation in a wider view, beyond spinal lesioins have no place calling them specialists in the back pain field, and should be relegated to the denialists, or better still idiots.
    Dear Eugene, I think we agree on more than one thing, in fact I think we agree on pretty much everything and that the debate that sometimes ensues exposes the way we can get trapped in our perceptions of certain statements and comments because they have been laden with negatives by associaton. I feel there are many in chiropractic and feel there is a real need to expose truthfully how every practitioner works and the results they achieve and as you state to Richard, “may the best man win”.

  48. Richard Lanigan on March 14, 2011 at 23:24

    I would not use the word “treatment” or “diagnosis” in relation to chiropractic. It gets the skeptics excited and I would describe those terms as reductionist and not best suited and leads to misunderstanding about chiropractic. How could a treatment for diagnosed back pain also be a treatment for diagnosed Otis media.

    When looking at the practice of “chiropractic” we would both have concerns about the exploitation of prepayment schemes and cook book chiropractic. Just as I also feel prescribing drugs is way out of the box so is prescribing 100 visits. The object of consensus is what is important to most people in the group. Prescribing is important to you but is it worth what it will do to the profession. As for the Swiss their prescribing is basically over the counter medicines so patients get reimbursement.

    There is an American chiropractor who does podcast with chiro figures. his name is Brett Kinsler he has done some interesting ones and discussed prescribing.

    I dont see myself as a spiritual leader of anything, I piss off far too many people to lead anything. Mind you I love the fact I must be one of the best know chiropractors in the UK even though I can not call myself a chiropractor. Must give Margaret and Peter nightmares

  49. CDC on March 14, 2011 at 22:16

    I agree Richard. If some chiropractors want to prescribe drugs and wish to become “second grade MDs”, let them but let´s not make that part of the chiropractic paradigm. There is another profession whose members perform surgeries and push, sorry prescribe drugs – chiropractors do not.

  50. CDC on March 14, 2011 at 22:02

    Beautiful. I like being called a chiropractor. I adjust. I talk about subluxations. Taking that away from me is a little bit like changing my name. It will not effect what I do with my patients or my relationship with them, but it would feel strange and it would not feel right.

  51. CDC on March 14, 2011 at 21:47

    Spot on!

  52. eugene pearce on March 14, 2011 at 21:43

    We are spinal health care experts in the health care system, we are not alternative or complementary. We assess spinal joint function for its affect on well being we don’t use drugs as we attept to facilitate the bodies own healing ability.

    Do you treat, rehab sprained ankles, swollen knees. That is the core historical concept. Lets update it.

    I think the one below covers all bases, diagnosis maintenance, peripheral joint muscle complaints, use of orthotics adjusting taping etc and it can be seen as not excluding patient use of meds if they choose.

    Chiropractors are experts in the diagnosis, treatment or management of functional, non-surgical neuro-musculo-skeletal conditions. They are neither alternative or complementary. Their area of expertise is to assess neuro-musculo-skeletal function with an emphasis on spinal function and its affect on well being. Treatment is typically aimed at early normalisation of function in order to facilitate the bodies own healing ability.

  53. eugene pearce on March 14, 2011 at 21:24

    Richard I reckon we both aspire to being the most effective person we can be in dealing with non surgical muscoloskeletal conditions. Whether we chose to tell someone to go to the chemist for antiinflammatories because they are too acute for any meaningful manual therapy or have some in the fridge upstairs is hardly a point of no return.

    I absolutely agree, we have no business giving long term medication for any condition, but early intervention by manual tharpy has been shown to yield better quicker results. This is the argument for chiropractors having short term prescribing rights. I can see your fear, that it is vital we dont become seen as the “poor mans GP who does backs”, but it seems the Swiss are coping ok.

    You are right it is not part of chiropractic, nor is acupuncture. It is not part of physiotherapy either, where it is defined as extended scope practice. The whole politicising of this by “***your lot***” is horrible, I dont know what these other agenda’s are that you are talking about. I dont know if I am naiive or you are paranoid, probably both!

    All I want to do is to be the best I can be at dealing with any non-surgical neuromusculoskeletal condition that walks through the door of my clinic, and I really dont want to feel I belong to a profession who dictates how I go about that. I think you of all people would understand that even if we disagree of the subject matter.

    You do realise all I asked the BCA in the first place was to find out what was involved in me obtaining limited prescribing rights, as I wanted to do a non medcal limited prescribing course at Leeds Uni. Basically because I was interested and working in a very rural location where I thought “this could be handy”. This then became huge, BCA had to vote on whether this was a direction the membership wanted to go in (I only wanted the information as I would have simply asked the GCC myself). Most didnt vote those who did were boadly in favour. It then became a political football and we started talking about hidden agendas, we all became medipractors, which is really sad. All I wanted was “this is the route you need to follow if you wish to prescribe, this is the training you need, and these are the people you need to convince”.

    The fact it has been inferred the BCA couldnt join the Alliance because I asked for this information is a huge bloody over reaction, the reason they wouldnt join was several things that were signed up to breached GCC rules. Now Richard Brown has to go to Rio to explain himself and the BCA’s position. Do you think he will go native and get a Brazilian, wear thong at the Beach?

    It really isnt a point of no return, and I am 100% happy not to call it chiropractic, I would be happy to be a chiropractor and non-medical prescriber and orthotist, I just need bigger business cards


    ***your lot*** was tongue in cheek and intended as a complement, because you do seem to have become the “spiritual leader” for the traditional chiropractor in the uk, and you have shown tremendous gumption in arguing with those who want debate, and setting up this website. Always a good read and debate to be had.

  54. Richard Lanigan on March 14, 2011 at 20:08

    Hi Eugene,
    There must be something that the vast majority of chiropractors have in common I think it might be something like this:

    We are spinal health care experts in the health care system, we are not alternative or complementary. We assess spinal joint function for its affect on well being we don’t use drugs as we attept to facilitate the bodies own healing ability.

    I think all chiropractors could operate round that, in fact I would go as far as saying that is Chiropractic’s USP. If someone wants to give exercises, otthotics, or drugs to complement chiropractic care thats fine, in my view however I would not call that part “chiropractic”.

    I have come up with something we could all live with as chiropractors, however prescriping drugs is far removed from what I or DD Palmer defined as chiropractic, its a different profession. I understand some people would like to add extra tools to use. We were all trained to do breast exams at college but were advised against doing them by Mike Barber because patients might get the wrong idea.

    Drugs are not part of chiropractic, never have been and if put to the profession I am certain the majority would vote against includiung it, however those with other agendas will push it through starting at the WFC in Rio and the will be the point of no return for two chiropractic approaches.

    May the best man win.

  55. eugene pearce on March 14, 2011 at 19:39

    So if that SI dysfunction boils down to a functional gait problem and I prescribe an orthotic and cast and get it made myself am I a podipractor? I dont understand what point you are making about “play doctor” at all. My point was, if the profession had stayed as it was in DD Palmers time everything I listed would hold true, full spine radiographs were routine, as was only treating the subluxations.

    Clearly as you make the point “good (chiropractic) practice” has moved towards diagnosis and early referral for pathology and moderate use of imaging. I would add to that increased use of rehab, awareness of appropriate use of orthoses, openness towards use of medication or supplements, willingness to refer out second opinion

    I adjust what most would describe as subluxations every day and it remains my fundamental model for the treatment of pain of spinal origin when manipulation / adjustment is indicated. I personally dont think we have the evidence to apply this to wider health conditions, which is the crux of why I am seen as a medipractor and apparently villified as such.

    So perhaps we need even more division in our profession might I suggest:
    Paedopractor – Paediatric Specialist
    Geriapractor – Older People
    Podipractor – Prescribes orthotics
    Osteopractor – For when we all leave the GCC
    SOTOpractor – the gentle alternative
    Actipractor – the other gentle alternative

    I just object to the use of the term medipractor because some of us are more medically orientated. If the actions (treatments) are the same in the vast majority of cases, as long as the intention and the action are in the best interest of the patient I couldnt care less about anyone elses philosophy. Regulation should be there to ensure the intention and the action are in the best interest of the patient, simple as that.

    We are all Chiropractors because of what we do, and how we are trained. The fact we are somehow special because of what we believe, is utter utter bull. Perhaps if we all fundamentally believe the same we should have some kind of association that welcomes us all no matter how we are trained or indeed, not even trained at all, some sort of Chiropractic Zionism does such a group exist?

  56. Stefaan A.L.P. Vossen on March 14, 2011 at 18:10

    Hi Eugene;
    I think the answer is simple: “play doctors”. No condescendence intended just that the good things (diagnosis and early referral for pathology and moderate use of imaging) are not in any way shape or form related to “being subluxation based” but to good practice. In consequence, I disagree entirely with your assertion as it seems to me that you are creating a relational link between the two which is far more devisive than CDC’s comment.
    Being a chiropractor is in my opinion about looking at the root cause of dysfunctional motion pattern resulting in a weakening of the integrity of the SI joint, not the treating a sprained/strained SI joint with manipulation…
    The actions may end up being the same, but the attitudes underpinning their intentions are widely variable. That is teh difference for me.

  57. eugene pearce on March 14, 2011 at 17:45

    Medipractors are hijacking the profession. What devisive nonsense. We are all chiropractors, some who have actually applied modern thinking to traditional methods and some who perhaps havent.

    Could you elaborate on what you do that is so different to a “medicpractor”. Or are you proud to remove “subluxations” by original toggle recoil method only (that is the original technique should change it ‘cos thats not chiropractic). Are you proud not to make a diagnosis, where a referral might save a life. Perhaps you are proud to irradiate every new patient? Please please clarify what does a “real” Chiropractor do exactly.

  58. Stefaan A.L.P. Vossen on March 14, 2011 at 17:23

    Hi CDC,
    I think it comes down to the old Bill Shakespeare’s “what’s in a name?”

  59. CDC on March 14, 2011 at 15:18

    What disturbs me is that the medipractors are hi-jacking chiropractic and they turn it into something else and the people actually practicing chiropractic cannot call themselves chiropractor anymore. Where this will go before the majority of the profession again unite against the “bullies” no one knows.

  60. chirochick on March 14, 2011 at 14:50

    Oh dear that pesky freedom of information act, dont worry there is plenty more coming,

  61. Stefaan A.L.P. Vossen on March 14, 2011 at 14:12

    The fascinating thing is also that the new professions to emerge from this will likely be a return to original principles with the added benefit of modern evidential thinking…
    This is only the beginning

  62. Richard Lanigan on March 14, 2011 at 13:13

    People believe things can’t get any worse, the glass is half full mentality when the glass is empty.

    To be fair to the GCC its happenening all over the world, indivividuals are happy to hand over their profession, to people who talk the talk and thats all they do. I would have more in common with an osteopath than a chiropractor who prescribed and perhaps new professions are going to evolve from this mess

  63. CDC on March 14, 2011 at 09:06

    I do not understand why the +700 who where hunted by the GCC for promoting GCC/BCA material just do not walk away? Is it like domestic abuse, you try to find excuses just to stay until one day … ?


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