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This is Maria Author of the “Golden rule”

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#10 Maria on 1.28.2010 at 11:26 PM

 

Was there something wrong with my last comment and it didn't get through? Here it is again:

 

http://www.thinkhumanism.com/ is my website, not zeno's. Everything you quote from it was written by me. Thanks for the plug.

@anon

You post anonymously and accuse other people of being cowards? LOL! Why do you want people's addresses anyway?

 

Maria I have republished your Golden rule and my apologies that “Fed Up” gave credit to Zeno for your work. I am a bit old fashioned myself and do not want to have your address. Women with hairy armpits?? I hope you understand.  However I have to say a good lip waxing would not go amiss.

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The Golden Rule

Humanists try to embrace the moral principle known as the ‘Golden Rule’, otherwise known as the ethic of reciprocity, which means we believe that people should aim to treat each other as they would like to be treated themselves – with tolerance, consideration and compassion.
Humanists like the Golden Rule because of its universality, because it is derived from human feelings and experience and because it requires people to think about others and try to imagine how they might think and feel. It is a simple and clear default position for moral decision-making.
Sometimes people argue that the Golden Rule is imperfect because it makes the assumption that everyone has the same tastes and opinions and wants to be treated the same in every situation. But the Golden Rule is a general moral principle, not a hard and fast rule to be applied to every detail of life. Treating other people as we would wish to be treated ourselves does not mean making the assumption that others feel exactly as we do about everything. The treatment we all want is recognition that we are individuals, each with our own opinions and feelings and for these opinions and feelings to be afforded respect and consideration. The Golden Rule is not an injunction to impose one’s will on someone else!
Trying to live according to the Golden Rule means trying to empathise with other people, including those who may be very different from us. Empathy is at the root of kindness, compassion, understanding and respect – qualities that we all appreciate being shown, whoever we are, whatever we think and wherever we come from. And although it isn’t possible to know what it really feels like to be a different person or live in different circumstances and have different life experiences, it isn’t difficult for most of us to imagine what would cause us suffering and to try to avoid causing suffering to others. For this reason many people find the Golden Rule’s corollary – “do not treat people in a way you would not wish to be treated yourself” – more pragmatic.
The Golden Rule cannot be claimed for any one philosophy or religion; indeed, the successful evolution of communities has depended on its use as a standard through which conflict can be resolved. Throughout the ages, many individual thinkers and spiritual traditions have promoted one or other version of it.  Here are some examples of the different ways it has been expressed: 

  • Do not to your neighbour what you would take ill from him. (Pittacus, 650 BCE)
  • Do not unto another that you would not have him do unto you. Thou needest this law alone. It is the foundation of all the rest.  (Confucius, 500 BCE)
  • Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing. (Thales, 464 BCE)
  • What you wish your neighbors to be to you, such be also to them. (Sextus the Pythagorean, 406 BCE)
  • We should conduct ourselves toward others as we would have them act toward us.  (Aristotle, 384 BCE)
  • Cherish reciprocal benevolence, which will make you as anxious for another’s welfare as your own. (Aristippus of Cyrene, 365 BCE)
  • Act toward others as you desire them to act toward you. ( Isocrates, 338 BCE)
  • This is the sum of duty: Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you. (From the Mahabharata (5:1517), 300 BCE)
  • What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow men. That is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary. ( Rabbi Hillel 50 BCE)
  • Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (From the Bible,  Leviticus 19:18 1440 BCE)
  • Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them. (Jesus of Nazareth, circa 30 CE)
#1 Maria on 1.29.2010 at 1:30 PM

Richard,

Are you feeling OK, dear?

If you wanted a picture of me, you only had to ask. You are welcome to this one:

www.facebook.com/.../maria.maclachla

I would normally take exception to someone suggesting that I need an upper lip wax but the discourtesy on your part is more than compensated by the hilarity your faux pas has generated.

Many thanks again for plugging my website. You are, of course, welcome to register and participate in the discussions there.

#2 Richard Lanigan on 1.29.2010 at 11:21 PM

Hi Marie

You do look lovely and no facial hair, if thats the worst faux pas I make this year I will have had a good one.

The site is listed as Alans on his face bookpage, you need to tell him its yours. Make sure you read the golden rule to him, it may help him with his anger towards chiropractors "we believe that people should aim to treat each other as they would like to be treated themselves with tolerance, consideration and compassion."

#3 Maria on 1.29.2010 at 11:42 PM

Promoting a website in your facebook page, isn't 'claiming ownership'. ThinkHumanism is a forum with many participants and a lot of people list it in their profiles in order to attract more visitors.

I can't speak for Alan but if I breached my regulatory body's code of practice, I wouldn't regard any subsequent complaints against me for doing so as breaking the Golden Rule. I don't see how setting up a website criticising a questionable therapy does either. Alan has not, so far as I know, harrassed any individual chiropractors, though he's been on the receiving end of quite a bit of harrassment from chiros who take exception to be complained about when they break their own rules. You might like to have a word with them about the Golden Rule. Unfortunately I can't give you their names as they are, invariably, anonymous.

#4 Paul on 1.30.2010 at 1:49 PM

"I can't speak for Alan but if I breached my regulatory body's code of practice, I wouldn't regard any subsequent complaints against me for doing so as breaking the Golden Rule."

Wasn't the point that this 'Golden Rule' was your so called 'Code of Practice?'

#5 Maria on 1.30.2010 at 7:58 PM

@Paul

My Code of Practice?

Sorry, I don't follow.

#6 Paul on 1.30.2010 at 8:09 PM

No doubt you don't follow you talked yourself into a hole.

Your golden rule is better described within professional associations and regulatory bodies as a 'code of practice.'

Maria either put up a good argument or find yourself found out as yet another anti CAM bullshitter.

#7 Maria on 1.30.2010 at 10:27 PM

Paul

No, I haven't talked myself into a hole and I will happily put up a good argument, once you have the courtesy to clarify whatever obscure point you think you are making. I understand that you are saying the Golden Rule is the equivalent of my code of practice but beyond that...what is your point?

If you are trying to imply that I have failed in some way to live by the GOlden Rule, then please spell out exactly how you think I have done so and we'll take it from there. If you are implying something else then, again, just spell it out.

Or, if you prefer, just avoid engaging with my question and sling a few more ad hominems in my direction.

Either way is fine by me. ;-)

#8 Paul on 1.31.2010 at 10:20 AM

Far from not engaging your question it is I who has engaged you on a point that you are feigning non recognition of. As for ‘ad hominems’ if the cap fits…

To quote you:

"if I breached my regulatory body's code of practice, I wouldn't regard any subsequent complaints against me for doing so as breaking the Golden Rule."

If your ‘Golden Rule’ is to be regarded as your ‘Code of Practice’ how could you deny it its breech as breaking the rule?

It’s hardly an obscure point that zeno (yourself or this Alan) have indeed breeched the Golden Rule and so your own code of practice that you decry many chiropractors of having done.

Hardly principled is it?

PS did the website take long to set up Maria?

#9 Maria on 1.31.2010 at 5:31 PM

Paul

I'll ignore the repeated ad hominems because they say a lot about you and nothing about me.

If you'd perhaps read and digested the article that Richard has very kindly pasted above, you might have a better understanding of the Golden Rule. In a nutshell, it is a moral default position: Treat other people as you would wish to be treated.

How does that apply in practice in a specific situation?

Well, let's say I'm desperately browsing the web in search of something that might help my child's asthma and I keep coming across chiropractors' websites claiming that they successfully treat this condition. I take my child to a chiropractor and spend a great deal of money on several sessions. It makes no difference to my child's condition and I give up on it. I later discover that there is not a jot of scientific evidence that chiropractic is effective for asthma. I also discover that chiropractors aren't real doctors, in spite of every effort on their part to give the impression that they are. I also discover that they are forbidden by their regulatory body from making certain unsupportable claims - the very claims that had drawn me in.

As I try to live by the Golden Rule, what should I do? Should I allow these chiropractors to continue claiming whatever they like, whether it's true or not, knowing that vulnerable people may be conned into forking out for worthless therapies? Or do I upset the poor chiropractors who are making unsupportable claims? What would I have wanted someone else to do, before I got conned?

Go figure.

By the way, your analogy with a Code of Practice is a false one. The Golden Rule is a general principle. A Code of Practice is a list of rules. I have to work according the BHA's celebrants' Code of Practice. If I did something in breach of that code of practice - let's say I acted dishonestly in some way - and a client complained to the BHA about me, I wouldn't regard that complaint as a breach of the Golden Rule on the complainants part because by drawing attention to an act of dishonesty on the part of someone offering a public service, the complainant is acting in the interests of the wider public and is therefore acting in keeping with the Golden Rule.

Now, see if you can manage to answer my question without the gratuitous insults. How exactly do you think I am in breach of the Golden Rule or, for that matter, my Code of Practice?

The domain took a minute to buy. I believe he created the website as it currently stands in under a day.

#10 Paul on 1.31.2010 at 7:44 PM

Hi Maria

Thanks for the reply. Not sure of your understanding of ad homs but hey you know what – whatever if you want to split hairs.

What is a real doctor? A person with a doctorate. You will find General Medical Practitioners do not hold doctorate degrees.

Your argument regarding the treatment of childhood asthma: good argument but I think you would find your child improved with chiropractic care.

I have adjusted many children who suffered childhood asthma and not one (yes not one) failed to improve despite the fact they were not being treated for asthma.

One teenager had been hospitalised at least once a year since birth, been prescribed stronger and stronger drugs, and had been unable to play his favourite family sport, golf, during the summer months due to hayfever aggravated asthma.

He has not been hospitalised once in three years, had almost been able to function without twice daily inhalers, has amazed his general medical practitioner and has progressed his improvement no end in golfing having found an ability to play golf all throughout the summer months.

I have found this many times over.

Have you considered finding out how many cases there are of people being drugged and undergoing surgery without full and proper diagnosis? Those drugged for asthma who have a subluxation requiring adjusted?

Perhaps as a humanist it would behove you to find out the true nature of chiropractic before attacking it or its practitioners. We could do with two less ill informed self righteous 'humanists' proclaiming themselves judge and jury over healthcare choices for our community.

The Golden Rule is a moral default which the rules for living i.e. a code of life practice, follow from. I think your argument is see through.

“The domain took a minute to buy.”

I believe you have been dishonest in grabbing a web domain that previously was owned and used by an active chiropractic practice, ran by one of the most thorough and well thought of chiropractors in the profession in the UK and Europe.

#11 Richard Lanigan on 1.31.2010 at 8:53 PM

Hi Paul thats the funny thing, when I read the stuff on the humanist website its the kind of stuff touchy feely chiropractors are always going on about at seminars. I am more of a meat and potatoes chiropractor myself.

Marie,"Not a jot" of evidence is not true the evidence is not compelling and should not be used in the context a cure. However the hypothesis would be could spinal joint dysfunction effect the autonomic nervous system and contribute to an asthma attack. Believe me it does and I have helped many people with asthma.

Considering there has been so much publicity about these supposedly "Bogus claims" don’t you think it odd that 600 complaints are going forward without any supporting evidence from all these parents who you think have been ripped off.

This is the GCCs difficulty, they want to work with the sceptics on this complaint, but they are supposed to be protecting the public and it would seem that none of the patients who responded to these adverts had reason to complain about the chiropractor which would suggest the complaint is vexatious and not congruent with the principle of the Golden rule.